Police caught out.

[darktidus]

About 5 days ago, during the Stop the SPP protests, 3 'anarchists' were complained about by anarchists to the CEP Union Leader as being violent and trying to persuade the rest to be violent. When confronted, the men were shown to be provacateurs attempting to break up the protest. 250,000 views in 5 days is fairly high for any youtube video, and it is causing a press storm in Canada.

[ShiningForce]

good ol' corrupt world governments trying to destroy free speach. Course nothing will be done about it. The logical response is to follow the trail up to who's in charge of this, and lock them up for a very, very long time. What WILL happen is either

a) not very much
b) a scapegoat will be blamed

see either kennedy assassination for details.

[Mankind]

Where's the proof they were police?

[ShiningForce]

Originally Posted by Mankind

Where's the proof they were police?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQYbO...watch_response
Don't forget to add this video to TF Tube and see others there.

[darktidus]

Originally Posted by ShiningForce

Someone knows how the world works.

[Detomah]

This sort of thing has been going on for as long as humans have walked on two legs and there's nothing we will ever be able to do to stop it and for the most part i'd say that it is a completely necessary evil, although i'm certainly not personally condoning or condeming this particular incident, as I don't for one moment pretend that I know every detail about the situation. Who is to say it is actually corrupt, it may have been something which was absolutely necessary or even pre-planned, they may have actually known something that was not made public knowledge, after all, for the most part we are only ever told by the media what is fed to them by the governement. I'm sure even after exposure, what the public get to hear about the situation will only ever be what the governement puts out there.

The only difference these days from any other time period, is that most people have video capabilities on their mobiles, so nothing remains private any more. Is that a curse or a blessing though??? Personally i'd say it is much more likely a curse, but at the same time while not wanting to sound ageist here, I don't expect anyone who is too young to remember the Ronald Regan v Michail Gorbachev cold war first hand and how close Russia and the USA actually came to having a 3rd world war to appreciate that some things are best kept out of public sight and mind and that these days, too much information is thrust upon people and everything gets cloudier rather than clearer. You just have to look at Iraq and how many soldiers have lost lives due to information leaking to the press about missions and targets and the likes to see that with certain events, media blackouts are actually the correct answer. Joe public does NOT need to know every detail of every situation.

As some great philosopher once said - "The more people know, the less they understand" and I honestly believe that statement to be true.

People always seem to grasp onto little one sided snippets of information that are offered and readily define their whole opinion around that information, where in reality very little is ever so simple as to be a case of black and white, because even though we so often accept black or white without question, there are actually many shades of grey which we don't even know about.

[ShiningForce]

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How much do you know about the current situation over in north america? Currently a bill to combine mexico, the US and canada into one superstate is being pushed through (was signed in 2005 with a suspicious lack of press coverage, and very little coverage since then).

these protesters were protesting the bill. some police officers allegedly were sent out into the crowds to try to identify criminal elements, yet it was them that were found with rocks in hand, apparently trying to incite violence.

eyewitness accounts are shocking, apparently the police appeared to be waiting for the signal, waiting for an opportunity to teargas old women and children. shocking stuff.

it's all part of the usual handful of families' plan to control people. I'm certain the US stock market will crash soon, and that will be how the americans are broken into falling into line (something almost identical to this happened at the turn of the century when one of the rockerfellars created a crash in the banks, and used this as a podium to get the world banking organisation into the US. same tactics, different time period). it's all carefully engineered.

[Detomah]

Originally Posted by ShiningForce

these protesters were protesting the bill. some police officers allegedly were sent out into the crowds to try to identify criminal elements, yet it was them that were found with rocks in hand, apparently trying to incite violence.

The question I would have to ask myself with what your saying and what is being published in the news, is were they acting independently as their way of getting kicks, under the instruction of thier bosses as part of some known secret operation, or as is suggested, simply as an excuse to kick off and get the protestors off the streets? I watched the video and it didn't really give me a clear indication as to which was the case. If as has been suggested by officials, that there were extremists hidden among the protestors, then they may have good claim to back their actions, however if they were doing it to just get the protestors off the streets, then that is clearly wrong, but I don't suppose we will ever know either way for sure.

eyewitness accounts are shocking, apparently the police appeared to be waiting for the signal, waiting for an opportunity to teargas old women and children.

Not that i'm backing the establishment on this, but eye witness accounts are almost always just as biased in favour of the common people, as accounts from officials are baised in favour of the authorities. I guess it's partially down to which side of the story people want to believe, because no matter what the authorities say, some would always question their responses no matter how accurate and truthful.

it's all part of the usual handful of families' plan to control people. I'm certain the US stock market will crash soon, and that will be how the americans are broken into falling into line (something almost identical to this happened at the turn of the century when one of the rockerfellars created a crash in the banks, and used this as a podium to get the world banking organisation into the US. same tactics, different time period). it's all carefully engineered.

Unfortunately though, it is mostly speculation, rumour and conspiracy theory no matter how accurate, because while we may be 100% convinced of something being the truth, they are never going to come right out and say it's the truth, because that would be damaging to them and they wouldn't want that to happen, that and we as civilians as I said in above post are only ever informed of what they want us to know. So yeah, these things probably are engineered just as the US depression at the turn of the last century was and if some are to be believed the whole twin towers thing, but you'd be hard pushed to ever have a government confirm it or anything else they don't want us knowing about, they do have a rather large carpet in the White House for brushing stuff under.

They say, do and hide what they do to protect themselves so they say and as they put it, it's to protect the common people and personally so long as I am not directly effected by contraversial actions of the government and their officials, I tend not to spend too long pondering it, otherwise i'd go crazy the way a lot of hardcore conspiracy theorists seem to, but it does make you wonder what is going on behind closed doors though that's for certain.

[darktidus]

Det, I'm sure you realise that the protestors were all reporting that these three individuals were trying to incite the violence rather than prevent some great public danger. Being sceptical is all well and good, but ignoring evidence staring you in the face is something I didn't expect you'd do.

I should add that the closest to thing in terms of conspiracy I believe in is the high probability that someone with a lot of money took out Kennedy. Other than that, I don't acknowledge the truth of any, because most conspiracies have a severe lack of evidence, and that's one thing I can't stand. Other than exploitation for political motives, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, I don't believe 7/7 was an inside job, I don't think illuminati control the world or there are reptiles that control everything.

On the basis of evidence however, it is clear that the military industrial complex is a welfare state for the rich. It would take a severe amount of cowardice and willingness to look the other way to ignore that when the facts are presented. Furthermore, there is a distinct possibility (again, based on evidence) that there was foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. This mostly being based of course on the destruction of WTC 7, the report on which I believe is out in about a couple of months, and which I look forward to reading.

Moreover, the evidence is staring you in the face. It is not a conspiracy theory that police and governments don't like protestors. No change in policy towards the freedom and good of the common man has ever been a gift from the upper echelons who magnanimously decide to improve our lives.

It is only ordinary people who push through reform, who fight for it, who demand it, and it is only them that force the governments of the world to make concessions until, bit by bit, we have more liberties, more freedom, and more power than we did before.

If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion.

[Detomah]

Originally Posted by darktidus

Det, I'm sure you realise that the protestors were all reporting that these three individuals were trying to incite the violence rather than prevent some great public danger. Being sceptical is all well and good, but ignoring evidence staring you in the face is something I didn't expect you'd do.

It's not so much a case of me ignoring the evidence provided or taking the wrong side in it, it is more a case of me having been on the other side of such incidents and situations while in the RAF, thus me being much more likely to sit on the fence about this type of news and thinking that there is almost certainly more to this story than what the public is being told and what the public feel was the situation, because while in the RAF, what we'd see on the news, reported by civilians and from a civilian point of view was very often, far away from the actual truth of the situation and what we were seeing and knowing first hand and sometimes to the point it would make some situations very dangerous and potentially life threatening.

It is clear that governments dislike protestors and they would much prefer to keep them quiet, but while it may seem very clear to all of us that with the evidence on show that these 3 people have incited violence, their reasons still remain unkown though and it is because of that, that there is a possibility that there may have been some hidden official reason for their actions. For example, there may have beenv good reason to dissipate the protest group, as the officials may have heard that the extremists among them may have had something planned and that they wanted to stop it from being able to happen, becuase if it had all kicked off people may have been hurt or killed? My point is, is that we simply do not know the actual genuine reason for their actions at the moment, although obviously if it does come to proof that they were just maliciously inciting violence for their own kicks, then of course that is very wrong and they should be severely punished for it.

I'm not saying what happened is right don't get me wrong, i'm just saying there is almost certainly more to this than we as the general public know about it and as a result, it is more a shade of grey rather than pure black and white right and wrong type scenario.

I wish to god more people in this country would publically protest, instead of this country being famed for being a people who do nothing more than sit there and grumble about things to ourselves. Protest is good when major fundamental issues need addressing, but not when it is chaotic unorganised, potentially inflamatory protesting. Good clean organised peaceful protesting should be like a national institution for us, the way it is for many other countries.