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Old 30-11-2007, 13:53   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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What your view on what they tell us.

Do you believe what we are told that the world is heating up to the point that one day the ice caps will melt due to our Co2 Emissions


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Do you believe the planet heal its self as it has in the past
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Old 30-11-2007, 15:26   #2 (permalink)
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Its incredibly difficult to know exactly what is going to happen, but unfortunately by the time science is 99.99% certain it will probably be too late to do anything to mitigate the outcome.

The facts are; CO2 is increasing, CO2 is a green house gas, sea levels are rising, global average temparatures are increasing, etc. Which side of the argument you take on the causes of this are some what irrelavent as the likely reality is that we need to keep the plannet in its current state in order for humans to survive.

The plannet will almost certainly heal its self, and life will continue, but there's a high chance humans could well be wiped out.
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Old 30-11-2007, 15:49   #3 (permalink)
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aye, the world will no doubt implode on itself eventually.
but that wont happen in our lifetime or quite a few generations down the line so why worry about it?
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Old 30-11-2007, 16:20   #4 (permalink)
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Tbh, while I was taking one of my modules last year ("The Solar System") the lecturer mentioned a few times that he thought the whole global warming thing was a load of rubbish.

I'll listen to him rather than some nature boy. Ta.
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Old 30-11-2007, 16:43   #5 (permalink)
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The theory seems to be sound and it is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that human activity affects the planet on a global scale. So yes I believe what they say when they say that greenhouse gas emissions left unchecked could irrevocably damage our environment.

I do not believe that the earths natural cycles are too powerful to be overcome by other influences or events. It is actually not correct to say that human activity is not part of the earths natural developement but we can say that humans current output of greenhouse gasses is not something that the earths "natural cycle" has had the opportunity to prove it can handle. So, saying the earth will recover from unusual events as it always has is not a statement that someone can realistically make and expect to be taken totally seriously.
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Old 30-11-2007, 16:57   #6 (permalink)
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I don't really care about global warming, industry creates 98% more co2 than individuals do,
and little is being done to control them doing it,
i've heard that the price of gas and electricity is going up again,
so i'm considering going back to coal fuel again for my cottage,
my rubbish collection is a pain as the truck cannot get here to pick a wheelie bin up,
so i just throw everything in binbags, if they care so much, let them sort it into boxes,
they get enough money from me in council tax...
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Old 30-11-2007, 16:57   #7 (permalink)
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Tbh, while I was taking one of my modules last year ("The Solar System") the lecturer mentioned a few times that he thought the whole global warming thing was a load of rubbish.

I'll listen to him rather than some nature boy. Ta.
Do you know what religion he follows? Yes; it should probably not be relevant, but in practice it appears to me that most global warming sceptics are Christians (of the right wing variety).
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Old 30-11-2007, 17:20   #8 (permalink)
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What your view on what they tell us.

Do you believe what we are told that the world is heating up to the point that one day the ice caps will melt due to our Co2 Emissions


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Do you believe the planet heal its self as it has in the past
Both, they will melt and the planet will heal, as for what happens in between I don't know.
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Old 30-11-2007, 18:47   #9 (permalink)
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Ever since man discovered fire and began the exponential population growth, the amount of heat and gasses being released has exceeded the balance point. Starting with the industrial revolution, this process has accelerated, both population (improving medicine and farming) and gasses (factories, power plants, etc). There are no current methods to reduce the overall heat output from all of these activities, even if they were gas-free. Thus, even if we had increased cloud cover to reduce the amount of heat from the sun (the normal self-correction), we'd generate too much heat under the clouds and there would be no cyclic cooling.

I live 6" above sea-level (at high-tide), so I pay close attention to the water level. The scientists can't really be sure if the oceans are rising. I read somewhere that it was rising faster in one ocean than another - say what?

The world's climate changes every year, decade, century, millenium, and era. Lands rise and sink. Continents split and merge. Who knows what's going to happen? They can't predict the weather next week, or the number of hurricanes next year, how can they claim to know what's going to happen in 50 or 100 years?
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Old 30-11-2007, 18:54   #10 (permalink)
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I read somewhere that it was rising faster in one ocean than another - say what?
Water expands when heated, gravity isn't a constant around the globe, etc.
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They can't predict the weather next week, or the number of hurricanes next year, how can they claim to know what's going to happen in 50 or 100 years?
Its difficult/impossible to predict exact events, but a lot easier to predict general trends.
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Old 30-11-2007, 18:58   #11 (permalink)
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The science is solid. I don't really see why it's a matter of 'belief'. You just look at what the scientists, who've done serious work, say. And what they seem to be saying is that there looks to be a very dangerous problem that we're approaching, the point where we decide to activate the 'triggers' and start a chain reaction there's no coming back from. When exactly that is, is under debate. There aren't any geological bodies which disagree.
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Old 30-11-2007, 19:30   #12 (permalink)
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I have not looked into all the available data, and I doubt I could fully comprehend it anyway, but New Scientist seems to think it's a real issue, and I have seen that a lot of anti-global warming studies are funded by oil companies.
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