the fur trade & cruelty to animals

[DeathKitten]

do you wear fur or know anybody who does? then maybe this video will make you think a little more about the subject

to think this kind of thing goes on in the world just terrifies me. i mean, before this, i understood that animals are killed for fur, but the shear brutality of it is just horrific. i'm not some kind of crazy activist or a vegetarian or anything like that, but it is just not possible for any normal person to watch this video and not feel angry towards the fur industry.

basically, the video is real, and shows men beating animals on the ground, and then skinning them alive. the animals are still moving around while they are being cut apart, while the men stand around talking and laughing casually. while the animals are being skinned alive, they are being hit with knives and sticks, and kicked, to break their bones and stop them moving. after the men are finished taking their fur, they throw the animal into a basket and leave it to die. one animal in the video is left alive, with no skin, covered in blood and twitching... this is the reality of the fur trade.

warning: this video is EXTREMELY graphic, and includes scenes of animal torture and cruelty.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_hdApaGarI
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bear this in mind if you ever think about buying fur...

... just think "where did this fur come from?"

[Mankind]

I find it abhorrent that the people in that video didn't even bother to kill the animal first, fair enough they don't want blood on the fur but asphyxiation would only take a minute.

But really, they're still killing it. And people eat meat all the time and don't give a fuck that an animal died for it.

So personally I find it absurd to think it's OK to kill animals so we can have the passing pleasure of tasty meat, yet horrific to skin them alive before killing them.

[Puratech]

Im quite happy to wear animals, so long as its better/cheaper than the synthetic equivilent. In the same way id eat quorn if it were any comparison to a slightly bleeding steak.

[DeathKitten]

when i watched the vid, i couldnt understand why they couldnt just inject it with something to kill it =/

like i said im not vegeterian or anything, and i know animals are killed for the meat of course, but they arent killed in the same horrific fashion as this...

[Mankind]

Originally Posted by DeathKitten

like i said im not vegeterian or anything, and i know animals are killed for the meat of course, but they arent killed in the same horrific fashion as this...

Can you be sure of this though? I think it's a fair assumption that they are not skinned alive, and there are regulations in place in abattoirs, but without actually killing it yourself, you are putting a lot of faith in the abattoir.

Then there's the living conditions. Hens for example that live in tiny spaces laying eggs like machines. A life of that is worse than being skinned alive I think.

[Harv]

Watched the first bit and had to stop it that is horrifically cruel and if you cant see a difference between humane killing of animals for food and that unbelievable act of cruelty in the video then you must either be drunk, drugged or have no emotions for seeing something in pain.

There is no reason for it and anyone that can honestly consider wearing clothing made from animals that were skinned that way want locking up.

There are hundreds of thousands of ways to be more humane than that even without any technological aids that can be employed with power or injection. My god even silting the things throat would be more humane than leaving it to die without a skin.

I'm glad i don't live anywhere near the country where such atrocities take place daily as I would hate to think how cruel those people would treat wives, kids and god forbid family pets.

There is killing of animals for food and skins and there is being brutal about it and causing un-necessary suffering just because you can. The latter i would lock up as if they can do that to an animal then I would think they are not too far away from being capable of doing the same to a human.

[Harv]

Originally Posted by Mankind

Can you be sure of this though? I think it's a fair assumption that they are not skinned alive, and there are regulations in place in abattoirs, but without actually killing it yourself, you are putting a lot of faith in the abattoir.

Then there's the living conditions. Hens for example that live in tiny spaces laying eggs like machines. A life of that is worse than being skinned alive I think.

I think i would rather live in a small space ( like they do in japan ) rather than be skinned alive and we put faith in the regulators to keep abattoirs in line and ensure animals are slaughtered as humanly as possible.

We also put faith in the water, electric and all other services without actually producing or cleaning it ourselves so saying we can't say its human without doing it ourselves is a bit over the top.

As I said I trust that the water coming out of my tap is clean enough to drink but i wouldn't even begin to know how to purify it myself.

Cruelty is not something that should need to be part of life when there are simple effective ways of killing an animal whilst causing a hell of a lot less suffering than that video showed.

[Detomah]

As a kid I used to be hell bent against the entire fur trade, but my opinion over time has changed as i've become more knowleded on the subject.

I didn't watch the embedded video, as I don't like to be reminded of what regularly happens, I know it happens in such ways, but personally don't need to see it again as i've seen plenty of documentries that show what I suspect would be in that video, yes that kind of cruelty is disgusting and I wish someone would do exactly the same thing to those people performing those acts on those animals. At the same time though, what is portrayed in that video isn't what always happens, that video is showing an extremely bad case, a lot of fur breeders and trading places are very humane and follow the same rules and guidelines as any other kind of animal farmer.

Anyway, these days my mind says fur is no different from leather, so to be anti fur means I have to also be anti leather and that would make me a hypocrite, as I wear leather shoes and have other leather items too and various other products either using animal bits or derived from animal bits and I also eat meat. I do personally avoid fur, one because it is too expensive, two because I don't personally think it would suit me, but also because I don't personally think it is sightly or hygienic, it's likely to be a flea magnet and would also cost a fortune to get cleaned.

I'm all against animal torture and cruelty and hate to see animals made to suffer needlessly, however an animal killed as humanely as possible and used for food as well as other human items such as footwear and clothing in my opinion is essential for my way of life top exist as it does and so I accept that animal death is a part of my life.

At the same time, I have no problem with humane animal testing, I understand that it is essential for the production and development of medicines and the likes.

I have to admit, I am a hypocrite on the subject. I love animals and seeing living animals, but I love eating meat too, which is essentially me fueling animal death.

I know of very few people in the world who are completely and utterly devoted to the preservation of animal life that not a single part of any living creature is used by them in any way, shape or form, as meat, a derived product, mlk or dairy produce or even wool. Only those that can trully say they are that extreme of those who claim to be animal lovers, in my mind are not hypocritical.

[Mankind]

Originally Posted by Harv

I think i would rather live in a small space ( like they do in japan ) rather than be skinned alive

You would rather live in a cage you can barely turn around in, all your life?

It's not quite the same as a small flat in Japan lol.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by Detomah

At the same time though, what is portrayed in that video isn't what always happens, that video is showing an extremely bad case, a lot of fur breeders and trading places are very humane and follow the same rules and guidelines as any other kind of animal farmer.

The majority of fur sold in the western world comes from Asia where there are no 'humane' regulations for the trade. The animals are skinned alive because it makes their skin and nerves tense which makes their fur slightly softer, The same effect could be produced if the animals were killed first but it would take extra time.

[Harv]

Originally Posted by Mankind

You would rather live in a cage you can barely turn around in, all your life?

I think thats what they should do to criminals put them behind bars and force them to lay eggs all there term