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Old 23-10-2005, 21:56   #1 (permalink)
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if i take the whole family 2 watch a movie it can cost me 30 pounds + the film might be rubbish often it is. buy a pirate copy for as little as 3 pounds watch it at home if rubbish who cares block busters i will still go 2 watch at the cinema copys now days are such good quality they say we are ruining the movies by buying copys but when actors/actress get millions for making rubbish films who is robbing who
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Old 23-10-2005, 22:16   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: pirate copys dvd should we?

i only go to see films that i think will be good, and as yet i have never made a bad choice.

Serenity was the most recent, star wars 3, robots, hide & seek to name but a few.

now batman Begins i wanted to see, but never got around to it. then my bro says we have downloaded it and we watched it and i loved it so ill be bying the dvd at some point

if i like agame or a film then i do buy them properly or go to the cinema to see them. Those that are good enough will win over the fans and will see the sales rise. those that are ****e dont deserve to be making millions.

in that vein, i dont have a problem with watching pirate copys, but i do tend to buy originals if they impress me.

also, going to the flicks is about more than just going to see a film, it gets the family out of the house, together for a night out.

yeh it costs a bit, but thats the price you pay. persoanly too many families spend too much time not doing anything as familys. mine included. My gfs are the total opposite and are always doing stuff as a family. and i have to say i love it.

take the family out once in a while, get a pizza. enjoy yourselfs as a family
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Old 23-10-2005, 22:43   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: pirate copys dvd should we?

Its all about choice anyway. If your morals go as far as allowing you to watch pirate copies of films then so be it. But it doesn't actually effect any of the films takings if you followed it through a films lifecycle. If it wasn't for the fact you want to see a film NOW then it wouldn't be an issue.

1. Film hits box office.
2. 6-8 months after a box office hit it goes to Sky or DVD at £30ish
3. 6 months later its £12 on DVD or a couple of quid to rent.
4. 6 months+ ( if its a good one ) its on terestrial TV.

So if everyone so wished we could see every film released if no-one went to the cinema and no-one bought the DVD or Subscribed to Sky. The only form of income then would be Terestrial TV broadcast rights.

From step 3 its as good as public domain anyway.
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Old 23-10-2005, 22:44   #4 (permalink)
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I do both, sometimes ill download the movie and go see it at the cinema before even watching it. I end up buying most of the movies i see on dvd anyway.
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Old 23-10-2005, 22:47   #5 (permalink)
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The profileration of copied DVD's is down to the MPAA and movie makers total inability to move with the times. It is exactly the same situation when the video recorder became cheap enough for people to afford.

The movie companies wanted the video recorder to be banned completely, saying that their industry would collapse and the quality of movies would decline. Unfortunately the majority of movies during the late 70's and 80's were pretty poor. Cinemas were closing down by the hundred, and people were not watching anyway. According to the movie moguls it was all the fault of less than human degenerates who pirated these movies so taking away the creativity.

We all know of course this was not true, the movie industry is very complacent, it is like a an oil tanker, very hard to move, and even harder to react quickly. No-one was watching movies because they were simply bad, unless huge marketing was used. So the studios decided to link cinemas to themselves, rather like a pub linked to a brewey, they must show their own movies, but with a few "guest beers" so to speak. The multiplex cinema kicked off again, and the people started to return.

Indeed, today there are more people watching movies than ever at the cinema. So now we have DVD's the promise of broadcast qaulity on our TV's, with extras, commentaries and other bits you will never see at the cinema, they are easily copied given the right software. The movie industry made their security and didn't bank on a student to break it. The prices of DVD's were originally high, of course according to the movie industry a DVD costs a lot of money to make, yet over 50% of the price of a DVD is for the packaging, transport costs and marketing.

What the MPAA havent realised and equally with the RIAA is that DVD is a new technology, just like the internet, they dont realise that it is a completely new market. I had said 3-4yrs ago with the argument about mp3, that this new market must be seized upon by the manufacturers of music & movies, there is an opportunity to make billions of pounds if only they realised it. But no, they didnt want to change, like they wanted to ban the cassette tape and the video tape. It took then nearly 20yrs to realise that they could make money by actually putting an album on tape or even a single, and bring the price down to match the new media.

No-one today is very happy spending nearly £4 for a cd single, when they know they can get it for free, or a whole back catalogue of an artist for a similar price. It is only in the past month or so that they realise they should. HMV & Virgin now selling singles for pennies each, it is guranteed top quality. The only cost is the servers and maintenance, while being a lot is offset by the millions of people prepared to pay those pennies to a legitimate business, in short they reduce the amount of piracy, though it will never be totally wiped out.

It is the same for movies, as technologies merge, more people want movies on demand, when and where they want, they dont want to be forced to watch a movie when they could be out doing something more important. In the next 2-3yrs, i believe the movie industry will realise that they will lose, no matter how many people or sites they sue, they just cannot compete.

What they need to do is realise that .avi, divx, xvid and all other formats will not go away, they need to take advantage of it, release movies for download for say £1-2 for vanilla versions, add pictures so peeps can print their own covers, make it a club, give the people something that makes them feel that the industry appreciates the billions of dollars we are giving them. And then, will piracy be reduced, until the next new media that takes over.

In short, the amount of piracy is in the hands of the industry, they either cannot or will not learn from the many times its happened. They need to have people that understand that the world is comprised of more people than they see in their complex.

Is it a good thing? Technically no, because it's against the law, but, I have no trouble whatsoever in watching a DVD that isnt in its original packaging, or missing a commentary. If I like the movie that much I will buy it, because for me it supports good film making. Those that get pirate copies, probably wouldnt buy the dvd anyway, and watch it on TV 1yr later. The industry is largely to blame itself for the scaremongering, and doomsaying they have been doing with this.

Until they realise that they can and should move forward, I'm afraid they are going to deserve every lost penny.
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Old 23-10-2005, 23:02   #6 (permalink)
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That just about sums up my opinion too taggy karma for your accurate explanation of the problem... bah need to spread some about a bit first
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Old 23-10-2005, 23:12   #7 (permalink)
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Old 24-10-2005, 21:10   #8 (permalink)
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i used to see movies this way but in the past few months i have been at the cinema quite a few times and really forgot how good it was. Also i have started buying more and more legit DVDs as i like all the extras but also it looks good having them all sitting there lol. Also the price of dvds is comming down, easy enough to pick up some great movies for under £5 each
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i download films daily, but its always much better to see it at the pictures.
but i would never go to the cinema to watch for example serenity or lord of war of really crappy films like that, which i download but would never actually pay to see.
so they arent losing out.
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Old 25-10-2005, 18:27   #10 (permalink)
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Same as him, wouldn't buy 99% of the stuff I download.
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Cinema's have had it coming for a long while, how the **** do they expect people to pay so much to watch a film these days when the public is so short cashed due to taxes etc, i mean ffs when i was in London it cost me 8.50 to see a ****ing month old film (War Of The Worlds), the cinema was the size of my living room and the tv was no bigger than a home projection system, 8 ****ing 50....

Also another reason is the total rule free cinemas, i know it's expected and i know its not much but nothing ****es me off more when either somone is rustling a bag of crisps like they are using it to masturbate through the whole movie and people talking, coughing, kicking your ****ing seat fair enough u can give them an earful but after paying your ******** off to get in the place you shouldent have to expect to. Thats why i dont go cinema...
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Make comments on the article i did on this subject. I missied a lot out of what i wanted to say but its a good topic of discussion
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