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Any ADSL experts know whether its possible to get ADSL installed on a line which has a payphone attached? The payphone is called a 'Contour 100'.
The BT website says that you you can't receive ADSL if you have 'certain types of payphone connected', but I can't get any more detailed info unless I wait in a queue for 5 years.
Originally posted by Bimbo Any ADSL experts know whether its possible to get ADSL installed on a line which has a payphone attached? The payphone is called a 'Contour 100'.
The BT website says that you you can't receive ADSL if you have 'certain types of payphone connected', but I can't get any more detailed info unless I wait in a queue for 5 years.
Originally posted by Detomah I would have thought it would be dependent upon the actual inlet the phone uses to the house to be honest.
Is it a normal phone socket or a direct pay phone line?
Thats all i could think, i know certain lines like isdn lines used to have to be converted and all i can think is that some payphone lines use different types of lines, but maybe if you just plug a payphone into a standard phoneline it would be fine.
Id hold on that number, phone BT earlier in the day like 10-11am if you can their queues always seem to be shorter... or phone the wrong department and get them to transfer you, can sometimes skip the queues.
Originally posted by Puratech Thats all i could think, i know certain lines like isdn lines used to have to be converted and all i can think is that some payphone lines use different types of lines, but maybe if you just plug a payphone into a standard phoneline it would be fine.
Id hold on that number, phone BT earlier in the day like 10-11am if you can their queues always seem to be shorter... or phone the wrong department and get them to transfer you, can sometimes skip the queues.
Thanks for info. I imagine the phone line is a standard one, the payphone is just one you can buy off BT and stick on any line, the landlord of where a live can set the charging bands on it etc. There does not appear to be a phone socket although I can easily wire a modem in even withoug splitting the line because there is a small junction box just under the phone.
I dont think there is any technical reason why they could not activate ADSL on the line, I'm more worried about it being a policy. i.e. landlords in geneal might not like residents splicing into the line, so BT might not allow it as a policy.
Originally posted by Bimbo Thanks for info. I imagine the phone line is a standard one, the payphone is just one you can buy off BT and stick on any line, the landlord of where a live can set the charging bands on it etc. There does not appear to be a phone socket although I can easily wire a modem in even withoug splitting the line because there is a small junction box just under the phone.
I dont think there is any technical reason why they could not activate ADSL on the line, I'm more worried about it being a policy. i.e. landlords in geneal might not like residents splicing into the line, so BT might not allow it as a policy.
Im not sure because it does change, but if youre going for one of the "home 500" type adsl services all bt give you is a splitter and a modem.
I was lucky because i had signed up for adsl a year before it came out in the uk and we were in the initial 4 city roll out, back then they took the phone socket off the wall replaced it with an adsl socket (basically the same but splits the line with the filters), recently they seem to be shipping these dangly splitter things you plug into your socket with 2 sockets in it, one phone one adsl.
Youll probably have to make sure you go for the total self install option if possible, since if an engineer comes out to install it, theyll want to have their laptop working on your adsl line before they leave. All im aware of is that it needs to be on an analoge phone line on the master socket, although if you live in flats/apartments there are cases where your line has already been split between flats for example and adsl cant be installed. Theres probably lots more silly little details i dont know too, take a look at www.adslguide.org.uk for reviews of isp, how adsl works, faqs etc. Also go onto newsgroups or google groups and check out uk.telecom.broadband, theres loads of people who know way too much stuff there, engineers etc.
SECTION 1. EXCHANGE LINES Part 29. BT Broadband Self Install
Customers with the following services will not be eligible for BT Broadband.
However, should they wish to acquire BT Broadband, Customers will have to
acquire a BT `PSTN single line' and pay the relevant conversion charges
where appropriate.
Lines not provided by BT
In Contact
Light User Scheme Lines
Outgoing calls barred lines <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Payphone lines
Temporary Lines
Low Loss Lines
Alarm Lines
ISDN 30 or Multilines
Out of Area lines
DDI Lines
Red Care Lines
Metre Pulse Facility Lines
Custodial Tagging Lines
Calls and Access Lines
Exchange Lines provided on Non-Served Premises
PSTN Split lines
Telepoint
Although the text above is for getting BT Broadband not BT IPStream, the service we're using as end users of an ISP offering ADSL, I could see nothing similar (under the conditions section) in any part of the BT PL in Section 44. Indeed the majority of "Conditions" entries say only that they're under the conditions relevant for BT IPStream (and it looks like they put that paragraph in where the small print goes,
BICBW - if anyone has found a proper description, please post a URL!)
Im way over my head here, you will have to phone BT, but from what i can see, some payphone lines have a service called "meter pulsing" enabled which is incompatible with adsl, i would guess that if youve just had a bt payphone thrown on and bt know nothing about it then its fine, just a phone with a coin slot, but like i said im guessing... get on the phone
Originally posted by Puratech ok im really bored so i had a look for you...
Im way over my head here, you will have to phone BT, but from what i can see, some payphone lines have a service called "meter pulsing" enabled which is incompatible with adsl, i would guess that if youve just had a bt payphone thrown on and bt know nothing about it then its fine, just a phone with a coin slot, but like i said im guessing... get on the phone
TY for all the info One thing I did do when I couldnt get thru to BT was phone my existing ADSL provider that still actve at my parents house. They said that the could do a search on the telephone number that the payphone is on to check in BTs database whether there was any incompatible equipment installed on the line. Unfortunately they didnt have the number recorded at all. Also when I was talking about splitting the line I wasn't talking about the voice/data split I was just talking about using a stanley knife to split the line and then wire the ADSL voice/data splitter in the gap.
Hmm im beginning to think it wont be possible, I mean if the payphone is detecting charging rates e.g. international v national and charging appropriately it may be sending some weird **** down the line. On the other hand it might just be checking the format of the number you type.
Originally posted by Bimbo Also when I was talking about splitting the line I wasn't talking about the voice/data split I was just talking about using a stanley knife to split the line and then wire the ADSL voice/data splitter in the gap.
Not a good idea, you're not allowed to modify the line before it reaches the bt box at all. If you do and they find out, well they'll bring the lube around and modify your socket with a rather dodgy tool.
I know someone who did something similar and bt prosecuted him, :/
Originally posted by tgitm Not a good idea, you're not allowed to modify the line before it reaches the bt box at all. If you do and they find out, well they'll bring the lube around and modify your socket with a rather dodgy tool.
I know someone who did something similar and bt prosecuted him, :/
What BT box? This is just a crappy junction box beneath the phone with the normal wires in it, white-orange, white-blue, blue etc. Its not BTs problem, its after whatever u mean by 'BT Box'.
The section denoted by the [xxxxx]'s shows BT owned property. The [sssssss]'s show what aren't owned by BT.
You cut/modify the [xxxx] section, expect BT to cut/modify you. It's like walking out to a telephone pole, climbing up it and making modifications, you'd be breaking the law. In some cases BT wont even let an engineer fix your problem if you've been messing with their line until you've paid a hefty fee due to damaging it.
One other thing you might want to remember is that the telephone line in question needs to be in your name and in this case it doesn't sound like it.
True you can lie but it can lead to problems, say for example the line owner changes something (even if it 's just to do with his account, not the line) it generates a cease and it's bye-bye ADSL with no means of getting it back without placing a whole new order or even more lying.
Originally posted by Skip One other thing you might want to remember is that the telephone line in question needs to be in your name and in this case it doesn't sound like it.
True you can lie but it can lead to problems, say for example the line owner changes something (even if it 's just to do with his account, not the line) it generates a cease and it's bye-bye ADSL with no means of getting it back without placing a whole new order or even more lying.
I was going to do everything by the book. I didnt realise what you are talking about tho, it might mean it could be hassle for the landlord. Hmm might find another place to rent
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