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The first ever Dandy annual has been re-printed for christmas. Some nuts are up in arms over the Smarty Grandpa cartoon where he helps out the 'nigger minstrels' by blacking up his face with coal and collecting cash off old ladies, before taking them out for a slap-up meal.
Some people obviously find it impossible to accept that the world wasn't always exactly like it is now, where they can't use words like that because of the fascist PC brigade and their militant consciences. Maybe they should have changed it to African-American (even though it's Scottish) or coon.
I'm sure Enid Blyton used to use nigger, it is definately peppered all through the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
What better way to teach a youngster about modern manners than giving them this book, laughing along with them, then explaining not to use the word in front of black folk because it is offensive to them.
Anyway, who thinks that it should be BANNED because its EVIL FILTH!?!
I agree entirely with what the last paragraph of that article says. They should be celebrating the fact that this is of the past and is no longer the tolerated norm.
What next they ban school children from learning about the world wars because Hitler was racist and had racist views therefore shouldn't be talked about
As with all censorship if you don't want to read the content because you don't like whats printed don't buy it
The only way censorship should be used is by the end user making a choice not to buy, use, read... whatever the item they find offensive.
You would think people would be more tolerant of literature from the past. But then they also banned gollywogs from schools because it was racist
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Othello may prove a painful text for many students. In particular some will find some of the plays frank and forthright racist language demeaning and distasteful. But plays like Othello can be used as tools to explore racism and racist views, both within an historical setting and a contemporary cultural or spiritual context. The plays opening scene, for example, presents an opportunity to discuss a range of emotional issues pertinent to teenagers, e.g. stereo-typing and inter-racial marriage. Othello has much to teach us about ourselves, our lives and our society.
OMG i'm going out right now to burn down all the libraries that contain any shakespearean literature in them the racist swines.
How can they say that things written in a totally different time when slavery was still the norm is racist today its history nothing more. Just because it was aimed at children in its original publication doesn't make its use the same now.
Its not new, its not just been written, so theres no writing of racist material. If anything its educational in as far as its a glimpse into the past and the way things were. You cant expect people to change old literature/media anymore than you can expect people to remove inappropriate paragraphs from the bible and pretend they didnt exist.
The idea of looking back at negative events, such as racism/slavery, wars etc is that we look back and learn how much better things are without that, not cover it up and forget those lessons we should have learnt.
Drives me insane that people always seem so much happier with a selective memory of events past.
Of two minds on this. While yes, it is fair enough they want to celebrate and it's obviously not motivated by racism or anything like that, it's still pretty flagrant and it seems very tactless to do this. What about all the little black kids that enjoy reading the Dandy? Reckon they're gunna giggle along with the way their parents parents were looked upon by society? Maybe this was a bad idea.
Of two minds on this. While yes, it is fair enough they want to celebrate and it's obviously not motivated by racism or anything like that, it's still pretty flagrant and it seems very tactless to do this. What about all the little black kids that enjoy reading the Dandy? Reckon they're gunna giggle along with the way their parents parents were looked upon by society? Maybe this was a bad idea.
the only racist thing i can see is the use of the word nigger, and to be honest thats only racist to people who consider the word to be racist. its not like he was going "god i hate those nigger *******s, hitler has the right idea with that lot!". its one word, which isn't used in polite society today.
God i hate those PC ****s. Its like they're dead set on destroying everything. Why the hell does everyone bow to them?
The fact that its not newly written makes little difference tbh, the fact that its being sold to make money means it has to conform to the same standards as everything else.
I think we live in a society today where a lot more goes than when that was first printed, most films shown today wouldnt even get a look in then, were allowed to decide wether what we watch is going to cuase us grief or such, but when it comes to offending other people its a different matter.
I see your point cat, but to me it does make a difference how old it is. Like if someone is writing a new book using racist slurrs and hatred/discrimination or whatever, then i can understand that being banned. However i dont have a problem with old literature being re-released, however incorrect it may seem now, because of the context that its portraying a time in the past, not current day. The same way that say a modern movie portraying the racism in america in the 20th century for example, would be allowed to show racist slurs and blatant discrimination to portray how things were. The difference to me, being that both the movie and the dandy comic are released in the context of how things were, not current date, however if someone was to release a new movie or a comic that was current day and full of racist slurs then id imagine it would have issues with the censors.
Does that actually make sense, or is that plain hypocritical of me?
Watch some Russel Peters....his opinions about racism are very much like mine...... its a pointless, boring waste of time, and all it really does is give people an excuse to whine at each other about things, that in all fairness, usually are just plain funny.
so whats racist about the word nigger? at the end of the day, its just a word. it doesn't carry any meaning other than to identify a black person. i do think that racism is how you see it, and so many people see it in everything they can.
so whats racist about the word nigger? at the end of the day, its just a word. it doesn't carry any meaning other than to identify a black person. i do think that racism is how you see it, and so many people see it in everything they can.
What's racist about the word is simply that it has become socially unacceptable on a global scale except unless said by one black person to another as an almost form of greeting.
Racism is a society driven morality.
I used to share a regular greeting joke with one of my black relatives from Tanzania and the joke between us basically went along the lines of me calling him sambo and jungle bunny and things like that and him calling me milky, pale face, white boy and the likes, we knew it was nothing more than a bit of fun between us, but the looks we'd get from other people was the funniest bit. Unfortunately i've lsot contact with him the last couple of years, but anyhoo...
Personally, I was disgusted that the gollywogs from the jam vanished, together with any trace of them.
You just have to see an old episode of Till Death Do Us Part with Alf Garnett to see what things used to be like or watch the film Man Friday with Richard Harris and Richard Roundtree to see another good example. Bringing out the original issue of Dandy again is certainly nothing new and personally I really don't get what the issue is. It's basically nothing more than a kids comic, there absolutely no harm intended, the only problem is all these so called purists, rightous law abiding moral campaigners, who essentially are nothing more than stuck up nosey busy bodies with nothing better to do than turn everything they can into their own social crusade. It's pathetic it really is, it's a bloody comic FFS, nothing more, nothing less.
What next, Desperate Dan will be banned for not being a vegetarian?
There shouldn't even be a discussion about this kind of thing its freedom of speech whether its a 1960s reprint or today so what?
Nigger means a ton of things, the way people use it varies wildly, e.g. Chris Rock says 'I love black people but I hate niggers'. Equal rights come from good (black and white) legislation. End of story.
As far as I understand it, the entymology of the word 'nigger' derives from an ancient tongue that predates the modern languages, and it meant 'person who lives by the wide river'.
Presumably it must have come from Africa, one would suspect Nigeria or the great rift valley area.
How it ever came to be an insult is anyone's guess.
If I was black, I would want to respect my roots and use the word with pride, which I guess a lot of Americans seem to actually do nowadays.
Any descriptive word of creed can be used insultingly if prefixed with f***ing, like f***ing Scottish or f***ing Jew. Maybe it was just because black folks were so outnumbered in the west that they ended up taking umbrage to their own name (at the time) and so it was swept under the carpet.
Sad really.
As far as I understand it, the entymology of the word 'nigger' derives from an ancient tongue that predates the modern languages, and it meant 'person who lives by the wide river'.
Presumably it must have come from Africa, one would suspect Nigeria or the great rift valley area.
How it ever came to be an insult is anyone's guess.
If I was black, I would want to respect my roots and use the word with pride, which I guess a lot of Americans seem to actually do nowadays.
Any descriptive word of creed can be used insultingly if prefixed with f***ing, like f***ing Scottish or f***ing Jew. Maybe it was just because black folks were so outnumbered in the west that they ended up taking umbrage to their own name (at the time) and so it was swept under the carpet.
Sad really.
In chinese, "nigga" is actually their word for "um" or "errrm" in a sentence, or any other term used for the purposes of elongating a sentence to permit the speakers brain to catch up...
Personnally i dont think it should be the big deal that it is. If i use the term to be offensive, then its no different from me using terms like "chav" or "girl/baby" to be offensive, otherwise, it is nothing more than a word.
Half the time, the people we're told should be "insulted" arent any more, they simply dont care, its just stupid lameass time wasters who feel it necessary to stick their noses in and shove this racism garbage down our throats.
I think the reason why the word is globally banned as such is because its taken so seriously in america. From my understanding its considered like the worst thing a person can say by a lot of americans.
I thought it was mainly to do with slavery and oppression in america too, where it was used as a way of looking down on black people, probably irrespective of where they were from. Not that dissimilar to the way people in the uk may use the term "paki" offensively to refer to anyone who "looks" like they may be from pakistan, india etc.
Supposedly the arguement of why a black person can use it and why a white person cant is as simple as its the black peoples way of remembering their history etc, and supposedly part of the process even during slavery black guys would call eachother brother and nigger as a kind of way of unifying themselves together and discrediting the white man trying to keep them down. So now if they use it, theyre using it to infer strength amongst "brothers", but if we as white people use it, it refers to our racist past. I think thats maybe why its not taken so seriously in the uk, as perhaps it is in america.
The first ever Dandy annual has been re-printed for christmas. Some nuts are up in arms over the Smarty Grandpa cartoon where he helps out the 'nigger minstrels' by blacking up his face with coal and collecting cash off old ladies, before taking them out for a slap-up meal.
Some people obviously find it impossible to accept that the world wasn't always exactly like it is now, where they can't use words like that because of the fascist PC brigade and their militant consciences. Maybe they should have changed it to African-American (even though it's Scottish) or coon.
I'm sure Enid Blyton used to use nigger, it is definately peppered all through the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
What better way to teach a youngster about modern manners than giving them this book, laughing along with them, then explaining not to use the word in front of black folk because it is offensive to them.
Anyway, who thinks that it should be BANNED because its EVIL FILTH!?!
when i was in secondary school they made us read of mice and men. Each of us had to read out a page from the book as apart of our daily english lesson and on the odd occation the word "nigger" would appear.
Do you know how imbarising it is for a teacher or especially a pupil to have say or hear such a word in very mixed public class.
Most of us would either miss the word out or mispronounce it.
point in making is the very kids who are forced to read these books are censoring it by ignoring it, so why force them to be subject to it.
books like any form of media send out messages and at such a young impressionable age, such material should be censored.
Nigger is a derogatory term used to refer to dark-skinned people, mostly those of Black African ancestry. As an English variant of negro, it was once in common usage, but in recent times, in most contexts, it is considered a racial slur. However, modern variants such as nigga are used as a synonym for "person" in a controversial effort to reclaim the word for general use.
Yeah I remember the old Enid Blyton, golliwogs and fanny and dick, I'd definetly give the books to my daughter to read, I absolutely loved them when I was a kid
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What next they ban school children from learning about the world wars because Hitler was racist and had racist views therefore shouldn't be talked about
Well it does happen, not in the form of an actual ban, but they just don't put it on the teaching schedule. German kids don't get taught about WW2 the same as we do in England, the same as the English don't get taught about Scottish history and all the horrible things they did.
Every country teaches about all the good things their country did in the past and bodyswerves all the people they've raped and killed and bombed and massacred.
I think it's fine to publicise it, even from the point of view of a black person who could potentially be offended, because I think it shows progress. It shows a time when racism and slavery were rampant, and how the world has become better over the last 70 years.
I say nigger (or naga ) sometimes, but never to black people. I don't actually know any black people lol, so I don't even think of it being racist, I guess it's just watching too much TV/ listening to too much music and subliminally you start using words. Like I say "sup niggas?", "whats happenin nigga", or "you craaaaaaazy nigger", but it's all tongue in cheek, I don't mean any malice when I say it and tbh don't even really think about it that much because there's just no one to get offended by it.
Oh and Nigger isn't another word for negro, Negro means black - Nigger (as Teflon originally said) means literally "from the wide river" meaning the river Niger. And as all black people originated from Africa it's become more widely used as a word for all black people.
1939 Dandy annual 'full of Niggers'
) sometimes, but never to black people. I don't actually know any black people lol, so I don't even think of it being racist, I guess it's just watching too much TV/ listening to too much music and subliminally you start using words. Like I say "sup niggas?", "whats happenin nigga", or "you craaaaaaazy nigger", but it's all tongue in cheek, I don't mean any malice when I say it and tbh don't even really think about it that much because there's just no one to get offended by it.
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