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The simplest logic put forth by non-meat eaters is that the human stomach is not equipped to digest meat as well as digest vegetables and other non-meat foods.
The arguments in favor of eating meat are varied and many. The most important among them is based on the belief that animal protein provides the best nutrition to the human body. The answer given for arguments against meats on moral grounds, are also interesting. Who, non-veggies argue, has the right to decide what’s morally true? Lions hunt deer, is it moral or immoral? Nature has vested hunting rights in the strongest, by brawn or by brain. So humans score somewhere near the top , in brains of course. Then why is killing and eating animals wrong? Besides, connecting spirituality, a sense of morality and ethics with food habits does not appeal to everyone.
Another strong argument that vegetarians give is that animals reared for their meat are kept in horrible conditions, often being slaughtered in inhuman (sic) conditions, effectively slaves. Their slaughter is often amidst horrific cruelty, where the animal dies thrashing in agony…and the argument is, how can we eat the meat of a creature that we have killed this way? If we encourage meat eating, aren’t we encouraging these practices?
Meat eaters swear by meat and vegetarians find it repugnant. The truth lies somewhere in between…what then, does our body actually need?
What's your thoughts? Which are you? What can you bring to the table with this one?
Discuss the morality of "to eat or not to eat meat"....
I think its more a question of ethics, and primarily about the treatment of the animals. Personally I dont think twice about eating meat and id quite happily eat any kind of meat (except maybe human) provided it tasted good.
They should do more to treat the animals well, but to be fair i dont think id be willing to pay much more for meat from animals treated much better. Although according to that cockney bastard Jamie Oliver, you only need to reduce the intensity of the farming by a small fraction to relatively hugely increase the conditions for the animals.
Everything in moderation will work for most people - eg. avoid excesses of beef because it's hard to digest and it is very high in prurines ant that leads to gout. Any excesses of any food will cause problems. Common sense must prevail. If you do like a bit too much beef, you'll need a lot of other things that are high in potassium eg bananas. If you like a bit of processed fat (supermarket burgers) then you'll need a great deal of citrus acid (fruit) to break it down in your bloodstream and gallons of water daily. All that said, you can't beat a Hindu vegetable curry in my book.
ooo I would rather go without sex than meat!! I dont over eat beef and eat mostly chicken but I really do enjoy what I have. I dont think its a moral issue, well its not for me lol. I do, however think the animals should be looked after and killed in the most humane way possible. When I buy tuna I also try and get the stuff that doesnt harm the dolphins.
Im not sure how I would feel if I had to hunt and kill it my self though
Im not sure how I would feel if I had to hunt and kill it my self though
Now you're really talking my language, any game, shot, gutted, plucked or skinned and pot roasted in red wine with home made plum sauce. Sorry, got carried away and forgot this thread has an ethical bias However, I must support dragness in principle because if slaughter houses had glass walls, most of us would be vegetarians at best but edging towards vegan.
In answer to part of the question, Its been hypothesised that when man discovered fire he found he could cook meat and eat it much more easily which gave him a advantage for survival in the game of evolution.
so its not just our digestive system that is the key.
pandas spend 12 hours eating 8 hours sleeping 2 hours resting to digest food, and probably 2 hours trying to do a poo !
who would want that ?
without meat eaters all the farm animals would die of starvation or disease etc,
and who says plants dont feel pain ? has anyone ever asked them ?
In answer to part of the question, Its been hypothesised that when man discovered fire he found he could cook meat and eat it much more easily which gave him a advantage for survival in the game of evolution.
so its not just our digestive system that is the key.
pandas spend 12 hours eating 8 hours sleeping 2 hours resting to digest food, and probably 2 hours trying to do a poo !
who would want that ?
without meat eaters all the farm animals would die of starvation or disease etc,
and who says plants dont feel pain ? has anyone ever asked them ?
My apologies meow, all irrelevant well meaning claptrap from a well educated academic.
there are no moral grounds, Humans are omnivores, it's the inescapable truth of our biology,
we need animal protein as part of our diet or our development suffers penalty,
we are high up in the food chain whether we like it or not, anyone who says otherwise
needs a slap, who gives a fuck how it's killed etc, it's a lesser creature, put on this earth
for us to eat, it's been the same for thousands of years,
there's nothing wrong with it, BBQ anyone who says otherwise, because theyre wrong
As it says, ominvores can eat anything, as opportunists, meaning that humans can just as easily survive on only eating veggies as we can eating only meat. The system is designed to basically disgest whatever non-poisonous food substance we decide to put in there.
Humans developed the ability to cook food, simply to make it look and taste more palatable, we could just as easily eat all our food raw, albeit the human eating system has become aclimatised to modern eating habits and eating a lot of raw stuff would make most humans pretty sick.
It's the same as dogs, dogs can live quite happily on a completely raw meat diet and some people do feed their dogs in such a way, but it has to be done from the start and isn't something that is easily interchangable, as swapping over to processed crap after giving the dog pure meat, would make it pretty damn ill.
Human teeth are designed to allow us to eat all forms of food, it doesn't mean that humans have to eat meat though.
Funny things humans - we can go veggie for lots of different reasons and a lot of us will stick with the made up self belief that what we think is right even if others give totally rational reasons they are wrong.
I know a woman that was veggie for years then got pregnant and started eating loads of pork products and can't get enough now. They changed their thinking because of their situation and that's what most humans do.
Vegans who say they are at one with the animals around them are kidding themselves into believing it. If they developed a condition that men't they had to eat meat to live or take drugs that were derived from meat produce there would be a very small proportion that would continue in their beliefs and die from stubbornness.
I love eating meat, I could probably live without doing so but at the cost to my quality of life why stop eating it when i enjoy it?
If a veggie is vegetarian because it makes them happy too and improves their quality of life then so be it. ( however I would argue that having to take vitamin supplements to ensure I stay healthy because I'm not getting everything i need from veg seems a bit extreme and in some way diminishes quality of life )
I do like some veggie food - that seaweed leaf they wrap rice and chutney in is very palatable but I really think quorn is kind of a cop out - " I wont eat meat cos its an animal but will eat something made to taste like it"
So each to their own but at the end of the day we are meat eaters and we do like to eat it with veg
Don't know if there are many meat only eaters around ( except maybe Atkins fanatics )
That's because its actually a carnivore not a herbivore, and so gets little nutritional value from eating bamboo.
I'm glad someone finally spotted that
firstly it only eats bamboo yet we claim its a carnivore because physically it has more in common with other carnivores that only eat meat, and little in common with other veggies (apart from its eating habits).
secondly its obviously struggling to get enough from bamboo - although it can actually survive its no way optimum, but those cute cuddly pandas will only eat bamboo.
therefore our physiology its not a very good argument as to what we are meant to eat.
Now you're really talking my language, any game, shot, gutted, plucked or skinned and pot roasted in red wine with home made plum sauce. Sorry, got carried away and forgot this thread has an ethical bias However, I must support dragness in principle because if slaughter houses had glass walls, most of us would be vegetarians at best but edging towards vegan.
Slightly taken out of context there. It wouldn't bother me to watch someone else do the hunting or killing. I just wouldn't like the job myself. I used to help my brother with the chickens he kept, and we would eat them, very nice too but I wouldn't want to kill it myself.
Now Im hungry cos all I can think about is a big fat juicy stake with some nice mushroom sauce and baby broccoli!! and I dont have any of those in!!
There is nothing better than fresh mackerel caught on the shore, gutted, prepared and slapped on a bbq to cook eating your own catch makes it taste better.
I'm not sure if that's the case with other animals but I think if you hunted the animal rather than slaughtered it it would tend to be the same the thrill of eating what you have caught adds to the flavour and anticipation so makes it so much more interesting and enjoyable to eat.
We are omnivores and thats the bea all and end all of it. We'eve evolved to eat meat as well as plants. It is probably because we evolved to eat meat that we are here now.
Eating meat is necesary so its not about moral or not . Killing animals just for sport is imoral and should be forbided at all times and in all places !!
Eating meat is necesary so its not about moral or not . Killing animals just for sport is imoral and should be forbided at all times and in all places !!
I'm sorry but eating meat isn't necessary, we do not require meat to survive there are a number of substitutes to meat: falafel, soya, quorn etc.
We also do not require meat to form a healthy diet, although there will be some arguments for and against this. We can obtain our vitamins, proteins, natural fats and carbohydrates from other sources.
Is it moral to eat meat? Of course it's moral it's part of life. Do we have to do it, no? But that doesn't make it immoral. It just means we have more choice over what we eat. We eat what is available to us, and this has never changed. Many animals do the same, they will eat what is available to them. That's not immoral its just a way of life!
"The great circle of life"
As for keeping animals in cramped conditions, yes this is morally wrong. They should be out on the fields in the fresh air before being slaughtered in my opinion. Free to roam before being cooked rather than beefed up in a cell before being shot. This is purely down to demand however. Companies need to keep up with demand! So as long as the demand stays as it is, the conditions really aren't going to improve much.
As for those who say they'd never kill an animal to eat it but would let someone else do it, imagine you are the only person around, you are starving, and there is a chicken walking around you, could you ring its neck and pluck it. I'm fairly certain you could, it's not immoral it's just a part of life.
I have sharp teeth therefore i will use them to chomp down on meat...
I love beef, steaks, mince, joints, soups, burgers
I like lamb and pork - do like a kebab now n then
chicken is a staple part of our diet make loads of meals using it.
We developed the ability to kill right from the start of our existance this is why we are where we are in the food chain.
Its not un-natural to kill meat for food but the conditions in which they are kept could be classed as immoral however until they cut the price of free range to make it affordable to all nothing will change.
Is It Moral To Eat Meat?
If you do like a bit too much beef, you'll need a lot of other things that are high in potassium eg bananas. If you like a bit of processed fat (supermarket burgers) then you'll need a great deal of citrus acid (fruit) to break it down in your bloodstream and gallons of water daily. All that said, you can't beat a Hindu vegetable curry in my book.
However, I must support dragness in principle because if slaughter houses had glass walls, most of us would be vegetarians at best but edging towards vegan.
why stop eating it when i enjoy it?
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