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In the US, the Conservatives are against abortion, but support capital punishment, and the Liberals are the reverse. A similar type of trend runs through politics in the UK too. Add in assisted suicide, and you've got quite a conundrum.
So... Do you think that a person should have a consistent opinion about abortion, capital punishment, and assisted suicide? Is it possible to be in favor of one or two, and oppose the remainder? How do you feel about these issues, should they be allowed at all?
A great debatable topic as requested by Laz. Thanks Laz.
In the US, the Conservatives are against abortion, but support capital punishment, and the Liberals are the reverse. A similar type of trend runs through politics in the UK too. Add in assisted suicide, and you've got quite a conundrum.
So... Do you think that a person should have a consistent opinion about abortion, capital punishment, and assisted suicide? Is it possible to be in favor of one or two, and oppose the remainder? How do you feel about these issues, should they be allowed at all?
A great debatable topic as requested by Laz. Thanks Laz.
Discuss...
You've probably answered the question Det - your use of the word 'consistant' is very important and tends to represent deeply held beliefs in all of us. Within that word, judgements have to be made and we are after all just human beings. Good old Laz, got his thinking head on again aint he ?
I think its too much to expect the majority of the population to be consistent. I don't think many people will accept that you can lump all 3 things together anyway. the circumstances are somewhat different.
In the case of abortion, I agree with it if the pregnancy is an unwanted the result of rape, or if a severe disability has been detected within the foetus, abortion is a very sensitive debate,
however I disagree with those who believe life begins at the moment of conception,
assisted suicide, another tough one, but I think that for the purposes of relieving and prevented suffering, and at the request of the patient, agreed in advance, there is no reason
why it cannot be sensibly and sympathetically administered, once all other avenues of treatment have been exhausted,
Death penalty, it worked as a deterrent centuries ago, when 99% of the public were god-fearing, and the execution was carried out of front of cheering masses,
today it's a different story, society has very little moral fibre left within it, the liberal elite
have dissolved differentiation of right and wrong, instead using phrases like 'challenging behaviour' and 'ADHD' under this regime, we are expected to tolerate those who are out of control, hardly a week goes by when you don't hear of some poor father being kicked to death by a gang of teenie drinkers, after politely asking them to tone it down,
the custodial sentences given to these offenders are nothing more than a holiday,
the powers that be seem to believe that the death penalty is a horrendous way to punish somebody, yet think it's merely unfortunate when an upstanding member of the community is murdered for simply confronting a drunken youth.
Does no one else find a contradiction in opposing abortion but supporting the death penalty? I find that really hard to reconcile.
I do, I find it hypocritical. You can't be pro life in one way and pro death in the other, you either have to be all one or all the other.
Personally, i'm all for the death penalty and abortion, i'm also for assisted suicide and with all three forms of life ending, but especially with assisted suicide, I believe the correct circumstances, conditions and scrutiny have to be involved on a case by case basis and not just one solution fits all. The thing about ending a life, is that once done, there is no rewind and no repair, death is final, no amount of technology can fix that one just yet.
Im pro abortion, I think mothers have the right to choose, I dont beleive life begins at conception and theres no point bringing a unwanted child into this world.
However I dont beleive in the death penalty, it doesnt work in deterring people and to me that is taking life, as abortion is not so they are very different.
And im pro assisted suicide as i dont think any animal should be made to suffer needlessly.
Abortion is only acceptable to me when either rape is involved, the mother's life is at risk or the baby is going to be born with severe disabilities. Otherwise I say it's tough shit you should have thought of the consequences. A baby's right to life should always come before whether it's convenient for the parents.
I would love to bring the death penalty back. It grates on me that lifers get out without serving life, it should be an eye for an eye in a perfect world. But we don’t live in a perfect world and capital punishment shouldn't be implemented whilst there's any chance - no matter how small - that someone innocent could die. Added to that the pain and anguish that the family of the offender is put through is cruel and unnecessary and doesn’t bring the victim back. I would like a life sentence to mean life though.
Assisted suicide should be legalised but with careful safeguards and criteria that must be met. There are clear cases where it is cruel to deny people the right to choose, then there's cases which seem to make a mockery of it. But in principle I’m ok with it.
Im pro abortion, I think mothers have the right to choose, I dont beleive life begins at conception and theres no point bringing a unwanted child into this world.
Whilst I would certainly not deny woman the right to choose, abortion to order just grants license to shag around and use it as a form of contraceptive by too many air headed females. Western rape laws were put there to grant woman legal protection against predatory males who will screw anything if it stays still long enough. Conclusion; far too many woman of breeding age with too much freedom. This is one of the reasons too many men are getting away with rape on perfectly innocent woman.
If life does not begin at conception, when does it ? There are now record numbers of babies surviving well below the original maximum time scale for abortion due to enormous advances in medical science.
Sorry, it's legalised murder in my book until someone can medically prove the point where life begins.
Just for history's sake, when the original abortion laws went through Parliament we were told by many wise people of the day that it was 'the thin end of the wedge' They have turned out to be frighteningly accurate so be very careful with this daft Assisted Suicide debate that's caught the public's imagination.
Repealing laws in our antiquated system is nearly impossible because it means admission of wrongdoing by politicians and reinterpretation of existing laws by judges of that particular time in history. There are no votes in that
Whilst I would certainly not deny woman the right to choose, abortion to order just grants license to shag around and use it as a form of contraceptive by too many air headed females. Western rape laws were put there to grant woman legal protection against predatory males who will screw anything if it stays still long enough. Conclusion; far too many woman of breeding age with too much freedom. This is one of the reasons too many men are getting away with rape on perfectly innocent woman.
If life does not begin at conception, when does it ? There are now record numbers of babies surviving well below the original maximum time scale for abortion due to enormous advances in medical science.
Sorry, it's legalised murder in my book until someone can medically prove the point where life begins.
Just for history's sake, when the original abortion laws went through Parliament we were told by many wise people of the day that it was 'the thin end of the wedge' They have turned out to be frighteningly accurate so be very careful with this daft Assisted Suicide debate that's caught the public's imagination.
Repealing laws in our antiquated system is nearly impossible because it means admission of wrongdoing by politicians and reinterpretation of existing laws by judges of that particular time in history. There are no votes in that
Well you could argue life begins at birth, thats when we have our "birthdays". But im not really going to debate it my point is that there is no point in some child being raised by an unwanted mother, to either by raised by a hateful mother, only to become broken themselves, or to be chucked in and out of foster homes all thier lives and again to become broken and be a pain to society in the long run, not saying ALL children gone through this process turn out like this.
I just think its pointless to bring something into this world thats not wanted, every child needs love to grow up properly and if its not going to get it I dont think its fair on it.
I do agree people do take the piss, but accidents do happen, condoms splits etc, so if you stop it because of the people who take the piss then the people who did have accidents or have good reasons suffer too.
Well you could argue life begins at birth, thats when we have our "birthdays". But im not really going to debate it my point is that there is no point in some child being raised by an unwanted mother, to either by raised by a hateful mother, only to become broken themselves, or to be chucked in and out of foster homes all thier lives and again to become broken and be a pain to society in the long run, not saying ALL children gone through this process turn out like this.
I just think its pointless to bring something into this world thats not wanted, every child needs love to grow up properly and if its not going to get it I dont think its fair on it.
I do agree people do take the piss, but accidents do happen, condoms splits etc, so if you stop it because of the people who take the piss then the people who did have accidents or have good reasons suffer too.
Grael you surprise me. We don't have the knowledge to know when life begins. Anything else is pure conjecture and is dangerously close to murder of the innocent. Not for me thanks pal, I'll volunteer to rid us of the recognised evil scum that preys on the vulnerable but .........the unborn innocent ? That in itself must be evil and I support the American anti abortion movements wholeheartedly. We know that we Brits are basically a bit 'behind the door' on these higher level issues but watch this space ..............................
Grael you surprise me. We don't have the knowledge to know when life begins. Anything else is pure conjecture and is dangerously close to murder of the innocent. Not for me thanks pal, I'll volunteer to rid us of the recognised evil scum that preys on the vulnerable but .........the unborn innocent ? That in itself must be evil and I support the American anti abortion movements wholeheartedly. We know that we Brits are basically a bit 'behind the door' on these higher level issues but watch this space ..............................
I still beleive its the choice of the mother, she has to deal with it for the rest of her life, either if she aborts or keeps it, ok the unborn life she aborts has no choice but we have plenty of kids in the world already! Do really need more?
Abortion is only acceptable to me when either rape is involved, the mother's life is at risk or the baby is going to be born with severe disabilities. Otherwise I say it's tough shit you should have thought of the consequences. A baby's right to life should always come before whether it's convenient for the parents.
I would love to bring the death penalty back. It grates on me that lifers get out without serving life, it should be an eye for an eye in a perfect world. But we don’t live in a perfect world and capital punishment shouldn't be implemented whilst there's any chance - no matter how small - that someone innocent could die. Added to that the pain and anguish that the family of the offender is put through is cruel and unnecessary and doesn’t bring the victim back. I would like a life sentence to mean life though.
Assisted suicide should be legalised but with careful safeguards and criteria that must be met. There are clear cases where it is cruel to deny people the right to choose, then there's cases which seem to make a mockery of it. But in principle I’m ok with it.
I agree with you no the first two. Abortion is not a contraceptive! and thats the way things seem to be going.
If life meant life in prison maybe I would reconsider. The punishment should fit the crime. People who take violently take life should have no rights left at all!
Assisted suicide to me is wrong. Suicide to me is wrong, but asking a loved one to help you do it just seem twice as bad. Living for your family should be enough. BUT Iv never been in a situation where its ever been a question, neither as any of my family felt the need to end their lives.
Firstly I fully agree with Det it is a great topic
My personal opinion is that although each instance results in a death all three catergories are infact different because of the circumstances involved.
I don't think it's wrong to be against Abortion but in favour of the death penalty or vice versa.
It's cases like Baby P that make me reconsider my stance on the death penalty. The guy that killed him is only getting 12 years for it. He's also getting 'life' for raping a 2 year old girl. Both sentences run concurrently - he's been told he must serve a minimum of 10 years. He's going to be back on the street when he's 44.
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