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It's a fairly simple question when you look at it on a surface level, but once you start actually thinking about everything that goes along with porn, the sex industry, sex, masterbation and the likes, it's a heck of a lot more complex than people would normall care to think about.
Sex is becoming more and more a central part of society for a lot of people, it's certianly no longer the dirty subject it used to be, it's certainly no longer just a way to procreate...
Is porn good or bad though?
Check this out: Free info about porn and sexual addictions. That's a site against porn, you can gain some understanding to how for religious reasons, reasons of clean mind and a whole host of other reasons, that porn is bad. For reasons that may mean porn is good, you'll have to go do your own research, reasons of censorship and legality stop me from posting links to said material on this site.
Do you enjoy porn in a non-sexual way? Would you consider yourself addicted? Are you disgusted when you see these filthy images splattered all over the net? Do you believe that sex is sacred and should be reserved until marriage?
I see porn as an extension to a healthy sexual relationship. I don't see anything wrong with it when everyone is legal, consenting and happy, obviously if they weren't consenting adults then I'd be against it. Sex is a fundamental part of a human beings makeup and how a person chooses to explore this desire, or lack of it in some cases, should be down to an individual and their sexual partner(s). Watching porn is also down to personal taste and preference, nobody forces people to watch it. Taking part in the production of said films is also up to those people participating, and I'm quite happy with it as long as they are promoting safe sex, aware of legal boundaries and all parties are consenting and happy with the action taken.
One thing i dont get though is animal porn is illegal now, but its okay for hollywood comedy movies to have people masturbating horses, having sex with donkeys etc?
I didn't know that, is cartoon animal porn illegal too ?
I think there are so many degrees of porn you cant really lump them all together. i guess theres maybe a lot worse than the stuff Ive seen, but Ive no wish to see it.
I think people are to blame for the bad aspects not the porn itself. because people behave within their limits of good and bad that they have learnt, just because porn is involved doesn't cause people to behave past their limit of what they consider bad. its easier to say if humankind is good or bad,,,
Uhh, no. It has no entertainment value outside its box.
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Would you consider yourself addicted?
No, but then again addicts always say they're not addicted.
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Are you disgusted when you see these filthy images splattered all over the net?
No, if you don't like them you can look elsewhere or get proper filtering software.
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Do you believe that sex is sacred and should be reserved until marriage?
What? Mankind would be much happier if we weren't so straight-laced about the sex. Now look at the areas where religion narrow-mindedly rules things about sexuality and the dress code and the amount of unease at those areas.
I have seen (unintentionally) quite a lot of porn around the world and somehow I find it all slightly pointless and to a degree, sinister. What is the real purpose of it apart from its commercial value ? It's certainly not there to enhance sexual enjoyment as the right partner will do that for you anyway. Very over rated in my opinion.
I suppose my odd view stems from the fact that my imagination far exceeds whatever the porn industry can dream up. The bit that does trouble me slightly though, it expresses some weird form of power over females in most cases.
I do like porn! Bf doesnt really, had previous bfs who we both enjoyed it together! Aslong as its legal and everything i dont see how it can harm, some of the "sinister" porn sites and videos maybe needs to be addressed, such as the whole out and out rape and torture which seems just to feed some peoples desires for such things.
I suppose my odd view stems from the fact that my imagination far exceeds whatever the porn industry can dream up.
Bilko should write porn scripts!
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The bit that does trouble me slightly though, it expresses some weird form of power over females in most cases.
In most of the porn I have seen, the women are the ones in control - they can get their man to do almost anything. Also, women tend to make more (a lot more) than men, on an hourly basis, and many women are becoming producers and directors.
Overall I think it's a terrible thing that corrupts peoples minds, it's especially worring that kids can EASILY get access to porn over the internet, God knows how many young lads are growing up thinking it's ok to treat women like a piece of meat.
You hear about these "sex bullying" text messages that kids send out. "Harrashing" a bird back when I was in high school was something you just didn't do, now it sounds like a common problem.
I didn't know that, is cartoon animal porn illegal too ?
I can't remember the specifics, but I do recall the Government passed a law to pretty much take us a little bit closer to making anything other than man + woman = missionary illegal. Animal porn has been illegal for ages, anyway, but I dunno about like hentai stuff - your tentacle porn might be safe for now.
This law I think was aimed at stuff like simulated rape scenes and that 'cause the government is convinced it'd turn everyone who watches it into a rapist or something.
One argument I don't get is: "porn is degrading towards women"
How is it?
Its one of the few careers in which women get paid more than men.
I'd say that all depends on the individual woman in question. I certainly don't think it is right that some busybody, stepford wife type, suffragettes type, equal rights, man haters should dictate how every woman should be behaving.
Some women find it degrading, some find it a perfectly acceptable career path, some consider it a form of prostitution even. It should be something down to the individual to decide.
My one gripe personally, would be that there should be protective working conditions for those that do take the path, as it is generally considered a fairly seedy industry and what goes on behind closed doors is something I really wouldn't like to imagine, regarding working conditions, working hours, male dominence, etc, etc. Those that do it should know they are safe, have good medical conditions, know their work collegues are safe and not diseased. etc...
My one gripe personally, would be that there should be protective working conditions for those that do take the path, as it is generally considered a fairly seedy industry and what goes on behind closed doors is something I really wouldn't like to imagine, regarding working conditions, working hours, male dominence, etc, etc. Those that do it should know they are safe, have good medical conditions, know their work collegues are safe and not diseased. etc...
Whilst I can't speak towards the number of seedy agents that I've heard/read about in interviews with up-and-coming and established porn stars, I'm fairly certain that anyone who works for the big producers have access to a specialist facility that does nothing but process STD tests for porn actors. Not only this, but they keep up-to-date records of every other actor/actress that anyone performs with in any given scene. So if someone turns up to a test, and it so happens that they've got HIV or some other nasty, this organisation can immediately find everyone that person's had sex with on camera and inform them as well as getting them checked.
Sure, it's not really brilliant but tbh anyone in the porn industry should be well aware that shagging anyone - no matter whether or not they're a porn regular or whatever - puts them at risk of contracting god knows what. This system's got pretty good at the damage control aspect of minimising the spread of dangerous STDs. There are a small number of production companies in America that have said they'll take the financial hit associated with doing so, and are making condoms mandatory in all future productions...
Whilst I can't speak towards the number of seedy agents that I've heard/read about in interviews with up-and-coming and established porn stars, I'm fairly certain that anyone who works for the big producers have access to a specialist facility that does nothing but process STD tests for porn actors. Not only this, but they keep up-to-date records of every other actor/actress that anyone performs with in any given scene. So if someone turns up to a test, and it so happens that they've got HIV or some other nasty, this organisation can immediately find everyone that person's had sex with on camera and inform them as well as getting them checked.
That's good to know that things have at least moved on since the Ron Jeremy type early days, lol.
I wouldn't do it, personally because I'm not confident enough about my body, and it would make it very difficult to sustain a loving relationship as to me sex is part of the makeup of a loving relationship. That being said I don't think bad of these women that choose to do the job, because how many people can say they honestly love their job and are getting paid loads for doing it, not many, so all power to these women that do it. Just so long as they don't rely on that income forever, because eventually everything will go south, regardless of how much surgery you get.
My only gripe is how many youngsters now aspire to be like these women. Not the job, but the looks. All fake, barbie style, I just wish more natural women were in the forefront of the glamour industry rather than those with the fake boobies.
I can't remember the specifics, but I do recall the Government passed a law to pretty much take us a little bit closer to making anything other than man + woman = missionary illegal. Animal porn has been illegal for ages, anyway, but I dunno about like hentai stuff - your tentacle porn might be safe for now.
This law I think was aimed at stuff like simulated rape scenes and that 'cause the government is convinced it'd turn everyone who watches it into a rapist or something.
what annoys me is the fallacy of cause and effect. the question is was that guy turned into a rapist because of the porn ? or was it the other way round, ie he was already that way, and so inevitably turned to porn first, which may have satisfied his urges for some time perhaps delaying the inevitable ?
what annoys me is the fallacy of cause and effect. the question is was that guy turned into a rapist because of the porn ? or was it the other way round, ie he was already that way, and so inevitably turned to porn first, which may have satisfied his urges for some time perhaps delaying the inevitable ?
I don't think porn is that instrumental in making anyone do anything unless the desire for it was already there, just bubbling under the surface and brought to a head by the porn. Video games have the same issue, but then most people don't play GTA then go steal cars and shoot at people. It's probably a bit like everything else, there'll be people who're more impressionable to such things and people who're already a bit messed up in the head who partake of a specific media and that provides the final push for them.
It's nowhere near as cut and dry as the Government and activists for this kind of thing would like. Yeah, there may be some people who're into BDSM or other stuff that a lot of people might see as deviant behaviour - but they're consenting individuals doing nothing wrong and as a result of that law there's probably a lot of people who are now "criminals" for not conforming to the Government's idea of upstanding sexual behaviour. The people who're going to go around raping or murdering people will probably go and rape and murder people anyway - whether porn delays or accelerates this isn't something I think we'll ever be able to quantify without developing some immensely invasive mind-reading tech.
I can understand the Government's reasoning behind what they did, but I don't think it was sound reasoning at all. It's just a bit unfortunate that we're still at the point where the only way we can spot someone as mentally unstable to the point of becoming a murderer is when they actually do the murdering. I don't think many people actually understand, nor would be able to recognise symptoms of, a lot of mental illnesses unless they'd seen them first hand (via family or friends..)
Pornography: Good or Bad?
The bit that does trouble me slightly though, it expresses some weird form of power over females in most cases.
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