The Big DebateIf you feel the need to get your teeth stuck right into a heavy debate on a subject you feel really passionate about, then this is the place to do so. Post about religion, politics, laws and all things juicy like that here.
View Poll Results: Would Brown Get Your Vote Right Now?
If the Labour party announced that there was to be a snap election right now, would you vote for Gordon Brown? If so why and if not why not?
Do you think Gordon Brown is doing a good job of running the country, do you think he should be allowed to continue running the country in the future? What actions has he taken that you really like or dislike?
If the Labour party announced that there was to be a snap election right now, would you vote for Gordon Brown? If so why and if not why not?
Do you think Gordon Brown is doing a good job of running the country, do you think he should be allowed to continue running the country in the future? What actions has he taken that you really like or dislike?
Detomah, are you having a bad beer day It's the old 80 / 20 rule and you can easily guess which way the numbers go for a vote in the current Prime Minister go
Detomah, are you having a bad beer day It's the old 80 / 20 rule and you can easily guess which way the numbers go for a vote in the current Prime Minister go
Perhaps you would think of things like this as open and shut, black and white, but then again, despite the recent humiliations, votes of no confidence, back bench revolts, local election losses, etc, etc, the man still sits at at desk in a room behind the shiny black door with the number 10 on it.
People may be pissed off, but as is so often the case, people may well be too scared to go into the unknown at a general election, people may be more willing to stick by the currently known quantity that is Brown and in his own words, the people may see him as the right person to lead the country through tough economic times and into the recovery.
Maybe people would vote as decisively as the polls, and local elections suggest, perhaps come election day, whether it was today or in 12 months time, people may not take the obvious vote, maybe familiarity would win through in tough times.
Hence me asking the question, it's not so obvious as you imply, obviously in the same way that gave you an idea that I would be a drinker.... Because that is something I certainly don't do, at least not alcohol, at least not for a long long time now.
I'm going tory this general election! I really quite Cameron and some of his ideas and policies he wants to push forward, plus hes really sharp, maybe a bit sly but I think hes got the balls to give this country a good kick up the ass like thatcher did!
I'm not deny labour has done so great things for this country, I think tony blair was a lovable leader, but no seems to like Brown and I think he has problems "coping" with all these different tasks etc etc.
Obviously in the same way that gave you an idea that I would be a drinker.... Because that is something I certainly don't do, at least not alcohol, at least not for a long long time now.
Oooops, appologies as I know that to make assumptions can only disappoint all concerned
No way would this guy get my vote. Here are a few reasons why.
1. In a so called democratic country he has not been elected by any elegible to vote.
2. In the 10yrs or so of him being the chancellor of the exchequor and claiming that his budgets would eliminate bom and bust it is absolutely clear that his budgets were nothing more than revenue generating excercises
3. that the labour party in general lied about the war in iraq, surpressed information about the decision and reasons for going to war.
4. that civic rights have been curtailed with the excuse of terrorist attcks in Britian where we have had less attacks in the mainland that at any time since the 1970s when the IRA where in action.
5. we are the most watched populace on the planet in terms of CCTV and tracking via financial activities.
6. Government is more centralised than ever before
7. the rights of the population have been cutback more that at any time since the time of the norman invasion, and even the basic idea of Magna Carta is under threat.
8. we are amongst the highest taxed nations on the planet despite having the 5th biggest economy in the world and told to like it.
9. they are not a socialist government in any way shape or form, and repeat the mistakes of the labour governments of the great depression o fther late 1920's almost to the letter.
10. They are more sleazy, underhanded, almost corrupt than the conservatives at the height of their power ( at least the conservatives owned up to being sleazy)
11. that i am not allowed to disagree with anyones opinion from another nation, faith or creed when they are allowed, nay encouraged to do so against myself.
those are just a few small points why i would never vote labour because they have totally forgot their history, their reason for being.
Gordon Brown is nothing more than an unelected, power hungry, detached moron who has no idea of the country he is running. Thats why i wouldnt vote for labour.
And therein lies the single most biggest problem that our great nation has at this time. The tories divided the nation in the 80's and early 90's (though that is before my time, as I am only 21 myself) and now the 'New' Labour Govt has divided the nation once again in this new millenium...
I also echo the comments that Tagred has said regarding Brown, he should have never become PM without a general election being called. But that is what we have become to understand is the 'norm' under New Labour, anything they have the slightest inkling they might lose, they refuse to hold a referendum or similar for and just hurry it through parliament.
I can see the more extremist groups getting more of a foothold in the next general election which can only be bad for our country. Instead of a cohesive group under one banner, we are going to have several groups under several banners... especially if this recession is going to get worse before it gets better (and there are signs regardless of what 'insiders' say, that this could well be the case)..
Ultimately, I am going to vote a resounding No to Gordon Brown's government, but who I am going to vote for is anyones guess.. I think that would be a decision made for me personally at a more local level (if there is such thing as a Local MP come July next year!)
find your local mp, its easy to look up, just google mp <yourtown> or something, you can even easily look at your mp's voting record. I think you can just as easily find local MP candidates from the other side.
really unsure about this , I look at Cameron & for some reason see the Saatchi campaign against Blair ( the one with the devil eyes ) . I hated the way he tried to hijack the recent Lumley / Ghurka (sp?) & I still think that the heart of the Tory party is riddled with sleaze & greasy palms I reckon this time round could be one of those last minute in the booth decisions Being a fellow Scot , I can empathise with Brown , but again how can one of the greatest Chancellors of the last few decades have really given all his best ideas to Blair & left himself with no rabbits to pull out of the hat ? sigh .... i really don't want to open the door to another decade of every man for themselves , survival of the fittest , & intolernace . I really wish the Lib Dems were anymore appealing , but they've gone rapidly downhill since Paddy stepped down. Which leaves me with the Greens ....... now i'm an old hippy at heart & I wish they had a chance , but i reckon i'd be better off recycling my ballot paper as loo roll than bothering voting for them .
If only I lived in the area Esther Rantzen was standing in
What on earth has "being a fellow scot" got to do with his competence as Prime Minister ? You imply he can do any daft thing but because he's a fellow scot - you can empathise with him
What on earth has "being a fellow scot" got to do with his competence as Prime Minister ? You imply he can do any daft thing but because he's a fellow scot - you can empathise with him
I really do think thats half his problem, not in a racist way, but I dont think the majority of English people like having their Country run by some overweight scots-man, looks and presence are everything and he has none of that...and we all know generally how much the English like anybody else other than the English!
What on earth has "being a fellow scot" got to do with his competence as Prime Minister ? You imply he can do any daft thing but because he's a fellow scot - you can empathise with him
OOOoo , honey , you're not going all homophobe stalker on me are ya ? xxx
I implied no such thing.
Do you realise the little halo smily you're so fond of is labelled hypocrite ?
i wont be voting but if i did i wouldnt vote Labour after all thats been going on with expenses and whatnot. i dont know anything about politics but brown does not seem a strong enough person and seems to be more happy meeting famous people. I dont think any government that gets voted in will be much different tbh
'Better the devil you know' isnt gonna wash with me this time. I would like to experience a new devil!!
They are all as bad as each other, if they stuck to half the stuff they promised pre election it would help. Unfortunately we all have to show a little hope in the party we choose to vote for. I HOPE some other person can do it much much better than Brown.
Back in the late 80’s and 90’s I always voted Tory but I went over to Labour when Blair came along. He seemed to reinvent them into more than a trade-unionist, entrepreneur-hating, red-flag-waving rabble. Suddenly there was another option to vote for and the timing was right for a change. And Everything was rosey for a while. That was 13 years ago - now I’ve ended up with Gordon Brown.
His best mate got labour voted back in, steered him to the doors of No.10 and handed him the keys. Democracy in action? He was never voted there by the British people and is calling the shots totally unelected. I find it a bit rich that we make great statements on the joys of democracy and comment on unelected regimes in other countries yet we haven’t even got our own house in order.
Brown’s been a PR disaster since Day 1. The guy is a total failure in my eyes and every day he stays in power is an extra day we are going to have to suffer putting things right under David Cameron. I think it was on Have I got News for You where it was summed up nicely. He waited on the side-lines for 10 years, watching, listening and learning, ready to step in to his dream job. and now he's got it, it turns out he's crap at it. He must be gutted.
A lot of people say he was a good Chancellor but a bad Prime Minister. Personally I think he’s been pretty bad at both. The labour government inherited a stabilised economy from Ken Clark / Major in the 90's after years of boom and bust. They did ok, handing over the control of interest rates to the Bank of England was a blinder, and they’ve kept things on course whilst times were good. But they've dropped the ball spectacularly since a bit of leadership and some nonce has been needed these last couple of years.
Looking even further back I can’t forget (or forgive) Brown's sticky fingers going into pension funds, or when he sold half of Britain's gold reserves just before the price of gold went in to the stratosphere (and lost us £2 billion). Or when he was odds-on to call a general election, the opposition parties warmed up to a campaign footing and then he chickened-out and nicked a few of the better ideas which had been put forth by the Tories – like the inheritance tax limits. I could go on but I'm starting to rant .
Last edited by RocKtheCasbaH; 11-08-2009 at 14:09..
Reason: Typos
Would Brown Get Your Vote Right Now?
It's the old 80 / 20 rule and you can easily guess which way the numbers go for a vote in the current Prime Minister go 
.
Linear Mode
