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Old 31-10-2008, 12:14   #21 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but I do think they were out of order and it just shows society today in what it's like.

How can it be acceptable for people to leave prank phone calls to an elderly man. I use to work for a telecommunications company and I would get calls about people recieving prank phonecalls and you'd be amazed at the amount of damage it can cause. Peoples lives were literally ruined because they were getting harassed by strangers/people they'd known in the past.

As famous people they do have a social responsilbity as there are morons out there influenced by this kind of thing, I think the Jackass TV show although funny has caused alot of damage to soicety because of the morons out there.

They deserved to be punished in my eyes but not just them because obviously some editor allowed the show to be aired.
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Old 31-10-2008, 13:30   #22 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but I do think they were out of order and it just shows society today in what it's like.
Why be sorry, very few people with any sense at all would disagree with the fact that what Brand and Ross did was unacceptable and was deserving of punishment. It's the events that have taken place since that have driven me and probably most others, mad.

For a start, i'm sure a lot of shows have way worse said on them during production, but that ends up on the cutting room floor and rightly so. Also, they would have had some production team watching over the presenters while they performed their stunts and that production persons job is to stop the presenter from being arseholes. then there is the editing department that is supposed to spot these things that would cause trouble and remove them and i'm sure there are others involved in the process before it does finally make it to air, so all of those people are responsible for the events ever being allowed to place and for it being stupidly allowed to make it onto the air.

Really though, the entire situation deserved less than 10 minutes of news air time, an immediate public apology, slapped wrists and a fine payable to charity, maybe suspension for a week or two just to show that it really isn't allowed and that's it, no more news, no more bandwagon, no more mountains from mole hills, no more complete waste of tax payers money and licence fee money. Yet 2 weeks later and it's still keeping such events in Congo, Pakistan and a whole variety of much much more important news froim being reported sufficiently.

So Brand has his show Ponderland on E4 as of last night, and quit his job on Radio 2, it'll have hardly damaged his career, if anything it'll make him more popular in places like America, where i'm sure certain channels would love to have him shocking their audiences. Ross will serve his 12 weeks unpaid holiday which i'm sure he'll love as it'll give him Christmas off, while losing a paltry £1Mil in wages and all will be forgiven and forgotten come springtime just in time for his shows to come back as normal.

Georgina Baillie is perfectly happy to simulate sex on the net where millions can see her boobs and a whole range of simulated lesbian sex scenes, she was also perfectly happy to spred her legs for Brand, even though it's always been a well known publically aired fact that he brags abouit his sex life anjd who his victims have been, where ever possible. There is no chance in hell that her granddad is so bloody niave not to have known full well what she was up to and that at some point it would be publically thrown in his face, it's human nature, it's what happens unfortunately, what has happened here is mild by comparison to a lot of crap going on, in fact a heck of a lot of channels are perfectly happy to air far worse stuff than that.

Georgina Baillie will in the long run benefit from the publicity i'm sure and Andrew Sachs i'm sure will benefit from the commission from the boost in sales of the Fawlty Towers special edition box set which will be re-released in time for Christmas. Ross and Brand will undoubtedly benefit from higher book and dvd sales in whatever their names are attached too and so, with that, the only person who's really suffering from all of this is Lesley Douglas, who's now out of a job, having been pretty much forced out and made a scapegoat of.

So yeah, punishment has been required, but what's gone on and for so long as a result of it, seriously not required, nor wanted...

The funniest thing of the lot regarding all this, was seeing Chris Evens coming out and condemning the bad behaviour of his fellow radio presenters... I mean WTF?????????
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Old 31-10-2008, 14:08   #23 (permalink)
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The medias obviously overplayed the whole thing, but it doesnt really seem like much harm was caused. The girls reputation was pretty poor before the whole thing in terms of ****tiness, and both Ross and Brands TV personalities rely on them being childish and schoolboy like. Theres no real change in how anyone is perceived imo and long term i dont think itll really change anything - as Det says itll probably just give more notoriety to the presenters.

Did either of them know the old guy, or had met him before? I wouldnt be suprised if Ross knew the guy would run with a joke, but just pushed it too far.


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That kinda thing really bothers me though. On the one hand i know that i dont go and recreate stupid stuff from TV so i get annoyed that people want to restrict viewing to only good moral standards. On the other hand i know that theres plenty of brain dead idiots in this and other countries who start stupid crazes based on tv shows like jackass, phone jacker etc. So i want to watch it but i dont really want the joke played on me.
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I totally agree Det that it's been blown over the top, on a side note though I don't think the grand daughter has done anything wrong, the sun probably offered her £50k at least for her story/interview about how she feels about the issue and she'd be stupid not to accept.

I'd like to think that everyone was upset not at the actual event itself but the way society is.

I know people will find this view point a bit strange but I see all these stabbings, happy slappings and then stuff like prank phone calls all linked together in a society where people it seems would rather step on your face than help others. I think everyone is moaning because these things have to stop. It's just morally degrading to think that a national radio station thinks it's alright for presenters to hule abuse at an OAP who has done literally nothing wrong.

Also to put the event in perspective imagine the people involved were not famous, that it was a 33 year old man and a 47 year old man leaving abusive messages on an OAPs phone. Everyone wouldn't even question that it's disgusting so why should anyone think otherwise just because the 3 of them are famous?
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Them being famous does play a part though, not that they should get any special tolerance. Its not like theyre random people, or someone who might actually be threatening them. In your post you refer to phone calls ruining lives and scaring elderly people etc, but imo thats not what they did at all - they had a laugh at some guys expense, but the old guy clearly knows that brand and ross arent actually threatening him or whatever. If the guys were nobodies but work collegues and having a mess about i dont think anyone would see it as that serious either. Its too easy to blame the celebrity though.

Im not saying its right, but youre not comparing like with like.
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